Was Just Thinking…

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Where’s the big kahuna of 2018?

More than halfway through 2018 and still no new “gotta have” detectors announced or rumored. Makes one wonder if the manufacturers have used up all their top-secret ideas or whether they’ve finally learned that any new detector better be both ‘in-the-field’ and ‘shipment’ ready.

On the other hand Christmas is coming so there’s probably a CEO (who doesn’t know how to turn a detector on) shouting “damn the torpedoes”, we’re going broke!

In the meantime y’all just need to sit back and let that money burn a hole in your pocket. Either that or go buy another coil you don’t really need….

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The Montpelier Program

I get email updates from the Montpelier Archaeology Department/Program and the latest is titled “Understanding the Overseer’s Site Through Metal Detecting Survey”. Of note to me was the following paragraph”

“As amazing as the archaeology is at the overseers house site, one of the most inspiring parts of this survey has been working with the range of metal detectorists, volunteers, and archaeologists during the two programs we held at the site in 2016 and 2017. Since 2012, we have been hosting metal detector enthusiasts in spending the week at Montpelier to share their skills with using metal detectors to locate and define sites. These programs are collaborative in that the metal detectorists in attendance provide their often decades of metal detecing experience and expertise with very sophisticated machines to locate small nails in an iron rich clay soil–no small feat! In turn, the archaeology team shares with the metal detectorists the methods and techniques necessary to map, record, and analyze the artifacts coming out of the ground. These programs are always a sure-fire success as our two groups (metal detectorists and archaeologists) share the same passion for finding history in the ground. By the second day, stories of finds are being swapped and techniques for identifying and conserving artifacts swirl about as the artifacts come out of the ground.”

 

My reaction? If indeed we can work together and share our expertise why not make  the program affordable for detectorists who want to attend? Not sure what the cost is today (no longer shown) but three years ago it was $750 for four or five days and that does not include meals or travel.

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Mindless Musings

Not sure why but the “sweet”, “awesome” and “cool” responses to finds annoy me but I find the Brit’s “lovely” and “well done” have a nice ring.

Would really love to know what percentage of GoPro sales are to tekkies. Seems without one you are destined for social media obscurity. Oooooh, perish the thought!!

Let’s be honest. It’s time for field team members and company spokespersons to preface comments and recommendations with “while I haven’t compared other makes and models”…..

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15 responses to “Was Just Thinking…

  1. Tony from Bayonne

    I really wanted too go but when I read the facts – $750 for a working vacation for them – nope – not going to do it! And not even if they up the ante!

    Manufacturers coming out with a new detector – nope – how about software updates for the ones they just released! Oh well back to the drawing board…….

    I have to say – no matter which manufacturer, which detector it is, folks just don’t talk about finding real treasure. No ideas exchanged, they keep their ideas to themselves, not many folks partner up. Life is too short and we can not take it with us…..let’s start helping one another!

    Thanks Dick for being a great Metal Detecting watch dog whose only hope is to better this crazy hobby! Stay well my friend and have a glass and raise a toast to a terrific career that you have had all of these years! Cheers!

    • Tony, suspect the Montpelier thing is “interesting” but not paying that kind of money to just locate (not dig) is not my up of tea. They need to reconsider the cost in my opinion.

      Tekkies do talk about finding treasure but it’s usually to brag or promote themselves. If you’re referring to sharing sites, leads or real treasure, those days are gone.

      Thanks for the kind words.

  2. JOHN DEVEREUX

    Hi Dick. That sounds like an excellent and useful collaboration. We have the Portable Antiquities Scheme here in the UK and metal detectorists contribute something like 95% of the finds registered on it. However a collaborative effort in the field would be great.

    No new technology being parachuted in that I’ve heard of but as I’ve mentioned I’m back to using the V3i so their efforts would be wasted on me. :):) Just had my Beach Hunter returned from White’s. Got it back in 4 days. Got to like that kind of service on a 10 year old second hand machine. There are some other manufacturers who could learn from White’s and be better served improving their customer support rather than keep turning out “new” technology.

    All the best from a sunny Eastbourne.
    John

    • Hi John,

      While we don’t have anything even close to your history we’d give our collective eye teeth for a PAS type pf program here. White’s does indeed have great customer service, just wish they’d be a little more daring and innovative in their designs.

      Anytime you need sun just give a shout and I’ll send some from Texas. You have to take the heat with it though….

      Cheers,
      Dick

  3. JOHN DEVEREUX

    Cheers Dick. We’ve had our version of a heat wave here for the last 2 months but thankfully the temperatures have dropped a little now. I’d agree that White’s designs are a bit dated (except for the MX Sport etc) but it was the robustness that I liked. Maybe because I come from an engineering background I don’t mind utilitarian as long as it works. :):)
    All the best

    John

  4. Perhaps at $750 it’s intended to price-preclude tekkies from the course, while making it look like ‘integration’? It’s always the same old thing….we collaborate with them, instead of them, collaborating with us. Kick this crap into touch.

    • This is the reply I received when I inquired about cost….

      “Thank you for your inquiry. The week-long metal detecting program is $750 for the program fee and $250 for the optional on-site housing. We also offer metal detecting scholarships for very experienced metal detectors to help with the program”.

      Wonder who determines the “very experienced metal detectors”? Is it the cost? SMH

      • Metal detecting scholarships? Issued by arkies?? Bullshit! Worth absolutely **** all! You can bet someone will fall for it and pin that certificate on their wall. Hahahahah!

  5. Truth be told, I traded a Minelab Go-Find 40 for a “Fishers Research Laboratories” hat…and I STILL think I got the better deal!

  6. JOHN DEVEREUX

    Sounds like flim flam to me too. What utter BS. JH has it right methinks.

    • Yes what I don’t get is YOU spend YOUR day “finding” targets, they plant flags and you pay them for them allowing you to do it? Somethings wrong with that IMO. And now the $750 does NOT include lodging. That’s $250 to stay there at their place or else you have to pay for a hotel/motel.

  7. JOHN DEVEREUX

    Actually it’d be funny to hand over say a V3i and say OK show me what I’m missing. Bet they’d struggle to turn it on……………………………..

  8. Hey, Dick –
    You said: “Let’s be honest. It’s time for field team members and company spokespersons to preface comments and recommendations with “while I haven’t compared other makes and models”…”

    I can’t help but feel this is kind of an unfair comment. I’m not one of these field team members or spokespersons, but I know quite a few of them personally, and for the most part, they’re great folks. To expect them to lead their comments as you say would be akin to expecting Jennifer Aniston to say, “While I haven’t compared other creams and lotions” before touting the latest Aveeno body product, or having Matthew McConaughey say, before whizzing along in his Cadillac, “I haven’t driven a Ferrari or Beemer lately, but…” And I’m sure you don’t expect these celebrity spokespeople to do that, do you?

    The fact is that, for better or worse, metal detecting manufacturers have realized two things:
    1 – Detecting as a big hobby has a limited lifespan. There are only so many old relics in the ground, and when they’re gone, they’re gone. That will pretty much be the end of their businesses as they know them, so they know they’d better make hay while the sun shines.
    2 – The generations who enjoyed the “golden era” of detecting are passing, and in order to appeal to today’s younger crowd, manufacturers MUST practice savvy marketing. It’s not even a question. They have to do it, or they will rapidly lose major market share (of an already limited market) to competitors willing and able to do so.

    That latter point is why, though they make generally far superior machines, White’s Electronics isn’t doing better than they are, and why MineLab is nearly non-existent in consumer front-of-mind, though they also make killer machines. Those in decision-making positions at these companies simply don’t seem to grasp this reality, or don’t want to and so just ignore it. I know this for a fact, though I’m not revealing my sources.

    I fear this means that some of the best detector manufacturers may not be long for this world, unless there’s a serious change of heart about their marketing, and this makes me sad. But I digress.

    The promo-heavy tenor currently being adopted by most detector manufacturers is simply a reflection of their recognition that marketing is an absolute necessity today. I’m sure it’s distasteful to you and those who, like you, enjoyed when it was simpler, kinder, gentler. I wish we could enjoy that, too, but that’s not going to happen.

    My main gripe — as one who makes her living in the marketing profession — is the generally sophomoric quality of the campaigns and marketing materials. But — and I know I’ll piss people off with this, but I call a spade a spade — given what I’ve seen on Facebook, this quality matches that of the majority of its consuming audience. Marketing is expensive and resource-consuming, so the manufacturers aim for the low-hanging fruit and don’t challenge themselves to do better. It’s a shame, because this hobby has so much inherent excitement, it shouldn’t be hard to do top-shelf marketing work for it.

    This is the same reason most of the publications aimed at our hobby are horrific in their editing quality and production values: Readers don’t demand better. I will only write for one of them because I would be ashamed to have my work appear in the pages of the others. So yeah, I guess that makes me a snob. Because, you know…spelling and stuff.

    As for the Big Kahuna of 2018, I think it’s unarguably the Minelab Equinox line. I have seen what those things are pulling out of even pounded places with my own eyes. And I admit to coveting one for myself, though I’d settle for a CTX 3030. 🙂 Thanks as always for your thought-provoking posts!

    • Maybe Mary it’s consumer or user I should be mad at. I mean they do ask questions of the manufactuer reps/testers knowing full well what the answers will be. Star struck?

      I want to say more but I will not. It will only get me in someone’s dog house, result in a lot of nasty emails and I’m not in the mood for that right now….

      Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your views.

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