Why Not Here?

John Winter was kind enough to give a thumbs up to my post about knocking on doors , and also commented…

“One thing I might add (for UK guys) is to show them a FID or NCMD (detectorists’ organisation) card showing my picture and info about having valid insurance”.

So let me throw out a challenge to the FMDAC, the Task Force and WWATS….which one of you will be the first to offer something similar? A membership card is okay, but one with a photo, and one indicating the carrier has liability insurance, would be awesome (sorry John).

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Yes, I know it involves work and spending money, but if you claim to represent the detectorist, take a break from your yearly social events and look into it.  And if your members do not pay dues (TF and WWATS) why not ask them to put their money where their mouth is?  Also if I remember right, Minelab gave the Task Force $41,000 when they started. Surely there’s a little left in the coffers…

Lastly, to the officers of all three groups…..

I know you do this part-time, you have day jobs, family, and no one wants to volunteer. I get that, but If this is so, and if your members are not interested in paying dues, or in helping you, why prolong the inevitable?  Stop advertising yourself as a national group and become a social one.  That way no one will expect more of you.

Many thanks to Robert Hope for allowing me to use his photo….

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Speaking of the FMDAC, I just received the following…

ATTENTION  NEEDED  IMMEDIATLEY

The Mason City, Iowa Parks Department will be meeting on Tuesday October 13 at 6:00 pm. On their agenda is the banning of metal detecting from the city parks. Why? This is being done for the heinous crime of someone asking for permission. Now let’s not waste time debating the merits of that action. Let’s put the energy into fighting this.

I have attached a link to a news article and also to the minutes of the previous meeting. Please review them and get an email sent off to them. It is too late to depend on the mail. Let’s all get together here and get an email blitz going.  The board members emails are listed below.

There are some real uninformed comments from these board members.  However please be polite and informative. Educate these people.

If you are in the Mason City area then you need to attend the meeting. Call everyone you know in the hobby and get them to the meeting. Don’t let this go without a fight.

Everyone needs to help out here. It will only take a few minutes to help save your hobby.

http://globegazette.com/news/local/man-with-metal-detector-fails-to-dig-up-mason-city/article_2c62c214-37d9-5c2a-8227-04c1d43f0808.html

http://www.masoncity.net/agendalist.aspx?cid=9257   (September minutes)

MASON CITY PARK & RECREATION BOARD MEMBERS:
Members serve for four years.
Don Nelson,   Chair – Elected 2012
Phone:  641- 530-4154    Email:    dnmb3653@gmail.com
Kyle Easley,  Vice Chair – Elected 2014
Phone:  641-430-2033    Email:     kj_easley@yahoo.com
Steve Diaz – Secretary – Elected 2010, 2014
Phone:  641-420-2424    Email:    rcthunder23@yahoo.com
Frank Pearson – Elected 2010, 2014
Phone:  641-425-8660    Email:    fjpearson@live.com
Craig Binnebose,  Elected 2012 (appointed 2011)
Phone:  641-424-3316    Email:    cbtrek@msn.com

Mark Schuessler
Federation of Metal Detector and Archaeological Clubs

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I just bought a medical alert bracelet that says “probably just shit faced”…….

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21 responses to “Why Not Here?

  1. wintersen

    … except that I spelt organisation in the accepted English way! 🙂

  2. Hey, anyone found my medical bracelet?

  3. Bob K

    Dick
    Sorry I don’t think FMDAC, WWATS and TASK FORCE are going to issue any type of card for the members, when theres no communication in normal times.
    Hate to say it but (my feelings) are to vote for them to become a social club.(probably would not attend the party anyway.) Wow I’m still having a bad day

    • Bob, I think you are right. Rather ironic too that about fifteen minutes after I posted this I received “alerts” from the FMDAC, and just a few minutes ago, the Task Force, about a problem in Iowa. A problem that I shared back on the 23rd of September.

      Also, not one mention on either website….and so it goes.

  4. Come on Task Force, FMDAC, WWATS…talk to me. Talk to your members. Say something please….

  5. I just received this e-mail from the Task Force-
    [ CALL TO ACTION!

    Dear Task Force Members:

    There is a situation in Mason City, Iowa that needs immediate attention.
    Mason City, Iowa wants to ban metal detecting from its city parks. The Parks Department will be meeting at 6pm on Tuesday, October 13, to discuss the banning of metal detecting from its parks, simply because someone asked for permission.

    Take a few minutes to review the news article and board meeting minutes (links below), then write an email, or call the board members listed below to voice your concerns over this issue as soon as possible. ]

    Where is this group at when people, ( such as this detectorist ) go on social media and tell about such incidents. I don’t see the Task Force asking the detectorist how he looked detecttng,whether or not he had a shovel or what time of day he was detecting.

    Now they are acting as the Savior for metal detector’s rights. You won’t see them standing up for people that try to help people avoid these situations ( park banning). Before the Task Force asks for help it would be nice to know if we would be helping some camo wearing, shovel toting , film making detectorist.

    • Gary, do me a favor and share your problem with the TF or with whomever pissed you off way back when. Getting real tired of hearing about this “shovel in the park” story. No more please!!!

      • I have shared ” my ” problem by responding to the Task Force. My problems are the hobby’s problems whether it is shovels in the parks,how people look in the park,whether or not they ask for permission, etc.
        What is getting ” old ” is social outlets that preach to the choir and do little if anything to confront the problems facing the hobby or the people in the hobby that are getting places banned.

  6. Quit being such a Prick and accusing me of being pissed off at someone. There are many ” shovel in the park ” stories. When you attack the posters on your blog ( and moderate out their responses to you ) for petty reasons, rather than directly confronting those that damage the hobby, your blog becomes fake,phony and fails to do anything positive for the hobby. Of course it may be a reflection of you. 🙂

  7. wintersen

    With respect Gary, your posts on here and sometimes on my site, suggest that you are ‘using’ us for your own agenda. Chill out, Man. PEACE!

    • You are correct wintersen. My agenda ( although not my only agenda in life ) is to encourage people to take pride in themselves and not ask for permission when it is not needed, detect low key, confront those that are hurting the hobby etc..

      I enjoy detecting and showing my finds and my record will show that as well as my other agendas. If you think I have any negative agendas ( as your post suggests ) feel free to show where you think I am using you for that.

      I’m always willing to discuss specific incidents,unfortunately, broad statements without reference are more popular than me. 🙂

  8. wintersen

    Forgot to add … I admire Dick’s policy in allowing your comment. Take a look at yourself Gary, and decide who the REAL prick is …

  9. Gary, I was going to trash your comments of 7:50 and 9:34, but decided to allow them because they’re great examples of why you have been banned on so many sites and forums. Worse you’ve taken the piss out of this particular blog post, and my attempt to get answers from the three national organizations.

    I have no idea what or who made you so angry, and at this point I don’t really care to know. Find someone else’s blog or site to fight your wars please.

    John Winter, thanks for your support…

  10. Now, might I hear from someone at the FMDAC, WWATS and TASK FORCE about the possibility of offering photo membership cards, and carrier liability? Are you interested in it? Can you do this? And please. don’t use the latest Iowa episode as an excuse….

    HELLO OUT THERE……

  11. Well, I emailed Keith Wills, from WWATS, and said

    Hi Keith,

    Hope you are doing well…

    Can WWATS offer the following, or is it interested in looking into it?

    https://stoutstandards.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/why-not-here/#comments

    Dick”
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    Not sure how or why, since I gave him the link, but he wound up responding to the July 15, 2014 post, “calling FMDAC, WWATS. Task Force”, and offered the following (unedited)……

    No communication to members is not completely true, we do post any info. that comes to our attention or action needed to be seen in behalf of a lot of hobbies including metal detector users on our new website. As for our website, our webmaster is as good as they come and is world known, yet he is very detailed on all the newest variations of facets of websites since he wrote most of them for the major sites out there today; which makes him a very busy man and at some point will make us take over the updates ourselves on our website in the near future.

    As for WWATS, it was in operation better than two years before I was as to come aboard as president. Prior to this I was vice president of the FMDAC for two years and before that was Chapter President in the South for ten years. I have many hours vested in the FMDAC and dearly believe they are a needed organization. Before that I was president of the Texas Council of Treasure Clubs in Texas for 8 years and VP for one year. Before that in the 70’s I started the Texas Connection working for metal detector users rights. Most all the various detector manufacturer know this and have told me at times that they would support me in efforts to promote our hobby. I have also been to Washington D.C. over a half a dozen times working with a number of government agencies to help promote our hobby which also led me to making the first and only metal detecting policy known nationwide with the chiefs of the Army Corp of Engineers national office in Washington D.C. in March 1989 allowing detectorist to detect on Army Corp properties around most all their lakes and swimming areas and some river swimming areas as well. Such a policy can be seen on my business site at: http://www.brokendetector.com or on WWATS site: http://www.wwats.org .

    Most of our members know that if there is something cooking in the metal detecting world they can read about it on WWATS website; so there is a major form of communication for all to read and hopefully react to.

    It is all too easy to moan and gripe on forums all over the Internet, is it the truth; most likely not! Is it accurate; doubtful!
    Instead of contacting one of our officers directly (my phone number is 903-734-7773) and email below; folks decide to use their time on forums to start unnecessary trouble or slander others when they do not know the facts or even care to check into the facts before making slenderest remarks of others or organizations that are trying to help them. If you have strong complaints about those trying to help you, why don’t you do so as a member of that organization where you have a voice and possibly can make the necessary changes you would like to see? This is the very reason why no individual or especially organization do-not-have-the-time to answer such foolishness for this would never be the answer your looking for if they agreed to every statement you made about them, you still would continue to complain and gripe! How about you use that energy towards the hobby’s favor.

    I have set thru dozens of court room ventures in behalf of our hobby or hobbies for and only for to learn more of why we are being prosecuted for our legal rights in our hobby, so to use this in our defense in the future. I have way too much invested in time and money too waste my time battling someone that has nothing to do better than start an issue with one of the three organizations out there trying to help you.
    At WWATS, we have always and to this very day believed that it takes the three organizations to support the problems that come up with our hobby. We act independent of each other, but hope someday we can join hands.
    As for WWATS, you can say what you will, claim anything you want, but we are too busy to come battle it out online with you. Many things are in the works at this time but are not worth mentioning until they become fact! How about you contacting one or more of the three of us and offer some time to help the cause of that time. Understand, we are giving up our time and in most instances our money not detecting but working for you and all those like you. We can all use more talent and your ideas, who knows you may become the hero of our hobby. For all those that work so hard and seldom receive a thank you or an email of appreciation, they are my HERO!!
    Keith Wills, V.P. WWATS

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    I was hoping to get a simple answer to the membership card and liability insurance, but there you have their response…

  12. Torie Little

    I like the idea of a membership card to show, but don’t know how the liability insurance would be obtained in the U.S.

  13. From the Friendly Metal Detecting forum….re: Mason City

    I attended the Park board meeting tonight In Mason City.
    And the issue of the detecting ban shall be DENIED!
    But with certain areas (parks and fema flooded buy-out areas)
    to be off limits to metal detecting.
    The parks talked about the areas to be off limits would be,
    Central park and East Park.
    Because they are listed on the national historic register.
    Central park is right across the street from the old First National Bank.
    That “Public Enemy No.1” Johnny Dillinger robbed.

    Instead; an annual detecting permit will be required,
    and made available through the park and recs department,
    for a small fee or for free.
    The proposal is still in the making,
    I must say this is good news.
    A permit is better than a ban.
    Considering, the Hobby supporters that turned out and spoke up. (me plus one)
    I tried to get others to come a voice opinions.
    I thought we were doomed!
    The park board members said “How they had received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls”, and actually said, ” That the whole issue was a no- brainer.”
    One board member told of how the last few weeks he would follow detectorist
    around Mason City and observe them and their digging, then after they left he would investigate the holes and plugs. and couldn’t tell they were even there.
    I guess where ever you are “FELLOW FOURM MEMBERS”
    near here,or in a neighboring states,
    or on foreign soil along way from IOWA.
    THANK YOU ! THANK YOU!
    For you support by e-mails and phone calls.
    Set a good example every time you detect,
    not just for the hobby, but for yourself.
    Remember the metal detecting code of ethics.
    Teach others proper techniques.
    It’s a pretty big old earth.
    THANKS AGAIN ALL !!
    TYLER
    Reply With Quote

  14. Dick-

    I told you the other day that I didn’t want to respond, because you may not like my point of view, and I didn’t want to jeopardize our friendship. You replied that I should post it, and that you respect my views. So, okay then, you asked for it, so here goes…

    At times it seems like your the guy in the stands at a baseball game yelling at the umpire. Insulting his calls and telling him what a crappy job he’s doing, without realizing that without the umpire, the game couldn’t be played. So I wonder, wouldn’t it make more sense to support the umpire so that the game can continue?

    The constant public bashing of the Task Force, WWATS, and the FMDAC, organizations that are trying to help, does nothing for their reputations or membership base. Every organization has problems. You and I have discussed some of these problems, and I have vented my frustrations to you many times, and vice-versa.

    If you recall, at one time, before I got involved in the Task Force, I had written a few venting posts on my own blog, but when I found out they needed help, my attitude changed. I jumped on board and offered help where needed.

    No one steps forward to volunteer, but they are quick to point fingers and tell us what we’re doing wrong.

    If you think about it, who wants to write a letter to a city or town official after being told how worthless these organizations are? Or donate money or pay dues, after insinuations of waste and mismanagement of funds? Most of all, who would volunteer to be part of these organizations and expose themselves to such criticism?

    Whether you realize it or not, the constant criticism of these organizations is contributing to the general feeling of apathy in the hobby. No one responds, because they’re tired. Tired of the criticism. It doesn’t matter if we get results or not, nothing is good enough.

    No one can deny the contributions you made while a part of these organizations. You worked hard, achieved much, and we are grateful for your efforts. However, today is a different time, with different challenges.

    “Back in the 80’s”, the number of detectorist’s was a lot smaller, and the discrimination was not so wide spread. There were no TV reality shows, painting detectorist’s in a poor light. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, websites, emails & blogs did not exist, and didn’t bombard you with notifications at all hours of the day and night. Back then, to be involved, you had to get involved–not just sit behind a computer screen, pointing fingers, and leaving comments. And I’m not singling you out Dick, you’ve made more than your share of contributions to this hobby. This is for all those who complain, yet refuse to get involved.

    The Task Force board is made up of volunteers. We receive no money, or thanks for what we do, yet we continue. A small group of people, fighting for the rest of you.

    When someone notifies us of a ban, or they’ve been told they can’t detect in a certain place, we try to get local people and detecting clubs involved, because they know and vote in their own community. They can attend local town meetings and support the issue’s.

    In a perfect world, there would be never ending funds and time for a representative from the Task Force to travel to every problem area, and hire an attorney to fight every fight. But this is not a perfect world. Litigation is extremely costly, and funds are limited.

    We have found that through growing our membership base, and sending out a call to action to that membership when a problem arises, we achieve better results. There is strength in numbers, and the more members we have, the more letters, emails and phone calls that go out. The more pressure these local governments feel, the more likely they are to pay attention.

    And as a side note, I would say that 99% or the people who contact the Task Force about a problem, never respond back when contacted for more information about a problem area, even when several attempts have been made. Then a year later, they’ll send a nasty email asking why we never fixed their problem.

    If John Doe writes in “I was detecting in XYZ park, and they told me I couldn’t anymore”, and doesn’t give a city or state where the problem exists, or respond to a request for more information, then how can we even begin to help? But that same guy will go onto forums and Facebook and tell everyone how he contacted us and we did nothing.

    If someone is going to contact the Task Force for help in an area, they should be prepared to give complete information, including their contact information, and respond to requests for more information or clarification, not just file a complaint and disappear. The attitude of I told them, let them take care of it, does not help.

    What these organizations need is volunteers and support, not criticism. Apathy gets nothing accomplished.

    Allyson Cohen
    Vice President
    The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights Foundation

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