Questions for Tekkie vs. Arkie Show

A week from this coming Monday, July 15th, I am privileged to be a guest on the American Digger magazine’s Relic Roundup Show, along with Lisa Hume MacIntyre, archaeologist from Jacksonville, Florida.  We will be debating (maybe even fighting) the ongoing, age old “we vs. them” problems,  and if you have something you’d like addressed, email me, comment on my blog or better yet, listen in and call in to the show. To do that simply scroll down the American Digger Magazine page to the Relic Roundup link, and click. Next click on the green arrow on the right side of your screen and you are in business. If you add your name or a screen name, you will also be included in the chat room that goes on during the show.

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The Tekkie & the Arkie

I have a lot of respect for Lisa, and I hope this show will go smoothly, but who knows. Even Butch Holcombe, publisher of American Digger, said “if there were more people like Dick Stout….God help us“.  I think that was a compliment? Right Butch?

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DIVA DOES NEWSLETTER

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Allyson Cohen, a.k.a., Detecting Diva also does the newsletter for the
Nor’Easters Metal Detecting Club
and here’s their July edition. Great job Allyson….hope they are paying you well.

Also be on the lookout for her forthcoming article in the Searcher magazine, published in the UK…

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KERRVILLE LIONS CAMP FOR KIDS WEEKEND

A big thank you goes out to the Texas Association of Metal Detecting Clubs for once again making the trek to the Lions Camp for Kids, in Kerrville. As they’ve done for the past 15 years they shared two days of their time in order to make a lot of children happy. During this special event those attending the camp learn about the metal detecting pastime, and most importantly acutally get to use one.  With the help of club members they are  able to search for and find foreign coins, toy cars and pieces of inexpensive jewelry.

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Larry Vickers & Mary Smith with toys for prizes

According to Keith Wills….”it was another weekend of fun and making new friends. Words can not express the happiness seen on both the kids and counselors faces.  If you have never gone to Kerrville to help us with this event you have missed something very special. We want to thank the large turnout of members from the San Antonio club, as well as all those across the country who sent us their foreign coins.  I also want to thank Troy & Linda Galloway and the  Austin Metal Detecting Club for each donating 10 pounds of coins for this year’s event”.

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Just some of the foreign coins buried

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Gerald Hewitt, Peggy Rifleman, Keith Wills
from the Texas Association of Metal Detecting Clubs

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Garrett Aces donated by Garrett Electronics

From me and everyone involved in the pastime…..thank you TAMDC for continuing this very special program.  A special thank you as well to  Garrett Metal Detectors for the donation of Garrett Aces for this event.

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WORTH REPEATING?

Was sifting through a few of my older posts and found this one from December of last year. Given the possibility of a sit down meeting this fall between the different national factions, I thought it might be worth sharing again. Time will tell….

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THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS!

Got thinking about my being a guest on the Relic Roundup the other night, and realized that I had a lot of notes, some scribbled, some neatly printed, that never got addressed. No fault of the program for sure. Just the result of only an hour show, call-ins, commercials and a glitch here and there.  There are, in my mind, so many issues that need to be addressed, discussed, and dealt with, and I wonder if they will ever be….

For whatever reason our hobby is always in a state of flux.  Always a fuzzy picture of who we are collectively, and seemingly a group of people who endorse the “every man for himself” theory.  We seem to find ways to shoot ourselves in the foot when it matters most, and then move on, waiting for the next opportunity to do it again. Our main concern seems to be outdoing the competition, and stopping at nothing to accomplish that, never mind the public’s view of how we do it.

While I have no idea of how many of us there are in the country, I do think we are a large enough group to affect changes when needed IF we had some functional, professional group to represent us, and IF we weren’t a group of selfish, penny-pinching individuals.  If you take offense at being called cheap, sorry.  It’s true. You will spend your hard earned cash to purchase a top of the line detector, a digging tool, a sand scoop, or a camera to wear on your head, but if asked to contribute $50 a year to promote, protect and preserve the pastime, you turn a deaf ear..

fmdacSpend some time on the many hobby related websites and forums.  Take note of which topics garner the most responses.  Very few, if any, deal with areas being closed to detecting, or similar efforts that threaten the future of our pastime.  I know it’s not a fun thing to “chat” about, but that’s where a national organization would come in.

Right now we “supposedly” have the FMDAC, the  TASK FORCE, WWATS, and hell, let’s throw in the PLP, and the GPA.

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Maybe it’s time for all of them to sit down, join forces under a single banner, and speak as one…..

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Right now we seem to be more concerned with tomorrow’s hunt, tomorrow’s finds, and tomorrow’s new product, unaware that the other side is actively working night and day to put all of us out of business. Will we make the necessary changes, or will just be a group of people who metal detect, and who only care about what WE find, not what our fellow detectorists are facing or fighting.

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11 responses to “Questions for Tekkie vs. Arkie Show

  1. bill from lachine

    Dick,
    Good luck with the session with Lisa…..I hope you don’t get battled and bruised to badly…..lol…
    I guess it comes down to the same old scenario…..most of the sites we hunt will never be searched or documented by the archeological community……so the bits and bites we find are saved for posterity out of context but better than letting them rot away.

    Regards + HH

    Bill

  2. Bill you said…. “most of the sites we hunt will never be searched or documented by the archeological community” and therein lies our role and our purpose. Thanks…

  3. Big Tony from Bayonne

    Dick, I always wondered if the archeological folks get upset when one of us makes a great find? My second wonder is why don’t they ask us in after all is said and done to see if anything is missed or if our insight leads then down another path to additional relics? Sort of the final test kind of thing before they close down their site.

    • I suspect they do Tony. They visualize a bastardized site or area, and nothing left for them to ponder. Lastly it seems that “talking” to us is taboo. JMO.

      • Big Tony from Bayonne

        Dick, another thing is that many of these sites were filled in with additional dirt years ago. In some cases I was told up to 30 feet but they are still off limits to recreational metal detecting.

  4. I did an entire post on the “most sites will never be documented” topic, I think most detectorists just don’t realize how archaeologists think about timelines and provenance … http://www.detecting.us/2013/03/22/provenance-prioritization-and-compromise-metal-detecting-and-archaeology-coming-to-terms/

    • Scott, that was indeed a very detailed and interesting post. I visit your blog quite a bit, and apparently I missed it. I was somewhat lost in a few places (remember I am from New Jersey), but I do indeed like the idea of an online database for detectorists to share and label finds. Not sure about listing a location however, but I suspect something could be worked out that would be satisfactory to the finder.

      Hope the three “supposed” national groups will make it a point to contact you. Your background and your recent experiences would be a great asset, and I could see you as a liaison between the archaeological and detecting communities (If ever the twain shall meet).

      Thanks for sharing this….

  5. Lisa

    I cannot speak for anyone but myself when I say I do not get upset when a great find is discovered, no matter the finder. Archaeologists do so because of their love of rediscovering the past. The personal gratification of such a find (again, no matter the finder) is where the differences will arrive, simply because human’s personal gratifications are different in us all. I could personally care less about fame and getting my name in the paper, where as I have met many who thrive on this principle. If the end result is rediscovery, then the “who” becomes moot. However, the differences in the gratification does set the attitude towards the “who” in the discovery.

    For example, I could care less who makes the discovery as long as it is documented properly and excavated carefully, simply because my gratification comes from the discovery, not the who. Others disagree with me vehemently, and I suspect, it has more to do with the “I am being denied the glory”. I can relate to their thinking. We spend a LOT of money and time schooling on the subject. It is a hard pill to swallow to think it was all for nothing. Think about it this way. If you spent years of your life and sunk yourself into debt to get an education on a subject, any subject, and someone comes along and says they can do the same thing just as well, your feathers would get ruffled. However, I also believe that there are benefits in working with/along side anyone who shares the same goals, no matter the experience.

    Metal detectorists bring a different kind of experience that is not taught in an academic setting, and this experience is just as valuable as my schooling. We must all set aside our ego and learn from each other. Together we could make a great team.

    • Lisa, thank you so much for taking the time to share your feelings. You are one in a million. If only there were more of you out there…..

      Now I can’t decide whether to say all those nasty words I had written down, and was planning to use this coming Monday night!!

    • Big Tony from Bayonne

      Good post Lisa! We all know that feeling when we unearth a real beauty!

  6. John H

    Hi Lisa:
    I like yer style…if you’re ever over in the UK there’s always a beer waiting on the bar for yer. Boy, have you made a rod for your own back! Some of your colleagues will be queuing up to flail you alive. Nevertheless, you have the grit, I suspect, to advance things along.
    Regards….JH

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